Wednesday, September 05, 2007

FORGET Get Friday!

After reading the 4-Hour Work Week by Timothy Ferriss, I signed up with GetFriday.

On their home page, they explained that excess demand meant they were running 3 weeks between signup and assignment of an assistant.

After waiting more than 4 weeks, I was finally assigned an assistant.

My first task was to have her create a simple 1-page website. I provided all the copy and the design template.

By the next day, I heard back from her, saying she could not complete this, but she would forward the task to the pool of in-house experts. She said she would get back to me, to let me know when I could expect to have the work completed. Fair enough.

The next communication I get from her is a bill for prorated hours for the month (since they didn't assign me an assistant until the last week of August). This email had a request for more work, specifically, "You didn't assign me any tasks yet."

Hmmm, that was a bit frustrating. Well, maybe it's just the language barrier, I thought. I replied back and asked when I could expect to have my website completed.

No answer.

A few more days passed, and I wrote again. I am STILL waiting to find out when I can expect to receive my completed task. No answer.

Today they charged my credit card for a full month's services.

Do you think I was pissed off? Not nearly as pissed as my husband.

I told him there was no problem -- the company has a 7-day trial period, and I can cancel for any reason. Seems I have reason enough, seeing as they haven't done squat except waste my time.

He decides to call them immediately. Now THAT was a waste of time!

It took him 10 minutes to get a supervisor on the phone, who turns out to be a team leader who is committed to "saving" our account (and didn't seem to have any authority whatsoever to process a refund). My husband explains in no uncertain terms (at least it seemed plain enough to me, even for a person who uses English as a second -- or third -- language) that we can not be saved, please refund our money now.

The conversation did not go well.

Apparently, it will take 3 hours to get a supervisor on the phone, which I am pretty much expecting to be another series of pleas to "give us a another chance Sir."

Bummer.

The whole thing turned out to be a colossal waste of time.

I'm not worried about my money -- I have copies of all the emails I've sent them asking for follow up, and I also have a record of all the times I called (during the 3-actually-4-week waiting period) and no one answered. If they refuse to refund my money today, I will contact my credit card to initiate a chargeback, so no worries about that.

But what's the lesson here?

For starters, it would be smart to get more than an author's recommendation before using any overseas service. I even have a friend in Alabama who tried the service -- but I didn't think to ASK HIM before I signed up. Big "duh" on my part.

Also, since I am definitely a "right now" kind of person, what on earth made me think I could stand to work with a company that could wait A MONTH to get me started?

Lessons learned.

23 Comments:

At 6:13 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tried them also after reading the book and I went through a very similar experience. I love the idea of outsourcing and I will look for an alternative. My goal with outsourcing
is to have the project done. I did not find them seamless at all. Glad/sad to hear you had same experience.

 
At 5:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bummer. Hey, if you find a service you like better (rather than outsourcing individual projects via elance, which is good for some stuff, but not others), please let me know or post it here!
--Amy

 
At 10:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, I checked out a couple of services after reading the book as well, and my intros with potential providers didn't inspire me to move forward. So I'm currently sans VA.

I also realized that much of what I COULD outsource to someone else, I actually enjoy doing. Even though it does detract from my productive income-earning hours, I like the variety and the hands-on work. So I'm figuring for now it worked out for the best.

Thanks for sharing your experience, Amy.

 
At 7:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone found an alternative? It would be good to know if there is one out there that people can recommend.

 
At 6:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tried on such service and they work good. I suggest you should try. Their web site is www.asksunday.com They gave me a trial offer for one whole month and the experience I had was great.

 
At 3:20 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the heads up Amy!

I have just started enquiries with GetFriday on a small research job of about 10 hours, but it has taken a week for them not to reply.

Now that I have stumbled upon your 'recommendation' I think I will look elsewhere.

If I find an alternative, I'll post back

 
At 8:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmmm, I don;t know about this "asksunday" that was recommended...they have ZERO alexa information, which is not typically a good sign. I can't say I would recommend it, nor will I try it myself -- too new of a service.

 
At 4:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, I signed up for ask sunday last night, and thought i would give them three easy tasks to see how they do:

task 1: find out the venue and address of a concert i'm attending in a week and get me driving directions from Colorado Springs to the venue, then from the venue to a restaurant we're planning on eating at afterwards, then get directions from the restaurant back to my friend's house.

result: they were close. they found the venue, they found the restaurant, but the directions began at my house, 250 miles from Colorado Springs where I'd requested the directions begin



task 2: Find prices on flights for my mom to come visit on some weekend between now and the end of November.

result: They found prices on flights for my mom to come visit from now THROUGH the end of november.


Task 3: Call me at 9:15am to remind me to print off a report to bring to a 10am meeting, then follow up with an email at 9:50

result: No call, no email.


So... i think it's time for me to cancel.

 
At 11:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a follow up, I have decided to channel my disappointment with AskSunday into something productive (hopefully). I like their idea of 30 tasks a month for a set fee, but the language barrier is just too great, so I am building a very similar service, called Zirga, which will launch on October 29 with all native English speaking agents.

If anyone from this blog is interested in this, I'd be happy to give you a 2 week free trial when we go live, with no need for you to submit any billing information...

You can be our test dummies, and, hopefully, our advocates!

You can shoot me an email at:
sam@zirga.com

Best,
Sam Hotchkiss
CEO, Zirga, Inc.

 
At 8:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm also going through a similar process at the same time with the Get Friday guys. Very, very disappointing. I had such high hopes after reading Tim's book and I've given them a lot of leeway. But the result has been really bad, they also promised a refund and have failed to do for two months now. I wonder if it's time to go for the chargeback.

 
At 10:34 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep, I would recommend a chargeback while there's still time. BTW, I have been using Zirga (see previous comment from Sam) for about 3 months now and I have been most pleased with their service. I highly recommend them! http://Zirga.com

--Amy

 
At 5:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Amy,

I feel bad about your bitter expeience with some Virtual Assistant services. But, I am using an Assistant in India. Though he dont run any such big company, He is very well doing his job as a Virtual Assistant. Rate is also very cheaper & negotiable. (<10$).
He accept all kinds of Research, Data Entry & simple Webdesigning works, except the Phoning tasks.
If you want more details, please contact him at virtualmasters@yahoo.com.
I can assure you that he will satisfy your expectations.

 
At 2:26 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

www.BPOVIA.com is the largest Virtual Assistant outsourcing service provider operated in China.

www.BPOVIA.com have the capacity for the tasks from data entry, office work to the tasks require more advanced skills like website design, graphic design, internet research, etc.

The hourly rate is under $6

 
At 9:25 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, even the post before mine displays a problem. Funny, I rarely hear from other virtual professionals when I'm reading these posts on a variety of blogs.I'm a US-based virtual professional and pro-blogger.I have 7 clients now and work nearly full-time and have had to turn away work. I've also read Tim's book.

Initially when growing my business, I was bidding against providers from all over the world on sites like elance and getafreelancer.com. The prices were ridiculously low.

I just completely rewrote 30 articles for a client who found her services on one of these sites. The writer was non-native English speaking and the content was not usable.

GET PERSONAL REFERRALS AND DEMAND WRITING SAMPLES, regardless of what the tasks are.

Kelly

 
At 7:35 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I realize this blog post is almost a year old but after reading all the comments, I just had to add my two cents!

Have any of you ever thought of hiring an independant VA instead of going through large companies that promise 'not-so-great' service?

I'm still chuckling in disbelief at the one-page website task that would have probably taken me 2 hours to complete. You could of had your webpage up and running that same day and satisfy your "right-now" kind of personality!

However I do have to wonder why so many people like to outsource overseas! Their service can be OK, especially with certain task (data entry could be one of them) but in general, isn't it easier to work with someone that understand and is fluent in your own language with the proper skills? I know the rates are not even comparable to those in North America but like the saying goes: You get what you pay for! Which in this case, wasn't much of anything!

I'm sorry your experience with a VA wasn't so great! I hope you were able to move on and had a better experience with a local VA.

 
At 4:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any new recommendations for VA's? I need some spreadsheet and simple research done. Also some travel bookings. Really like the idea of Get Friday, but surely there is one out there that is dependable. Anyone?

 
At 2:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even I heard many of my friends experiencing worst with such big companies like Get Friday and Ask Sunday. How ever I have an assistant in India, who is handling all my data entry tasks, everyday emailing tasks, reservation & research tasks perfectly. It’s Virtual Assist Technologies. You can find more details at their website www.virtualassisttechnologies.com They are new but very efficient.

 
At 8:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tried both AskSunday and GetFriday and they both didn't inspire me by much...I did try a new company called www.247VirtualAssistant.com. Their much cheaper and I'd say much more efficient than these services. The best thing is they have plans geared to both Individuals and Businesses so you cna have your pick. I've been using them for about 2 months, not including the free trial week.

 
At 7:53 AM , Anonymous kevin said...

I just tried Uassist.ME they´re new but the experience has been fantastic! they have an office in Miami Beach you should definetely try them out... their website is www.uassist.me

 
At 12:14 AM , Anonymous Nicole said...

Hi, I know this post is over a year old. Have you considered trying a more personalised VA service. I am a native English speaking woman with a small team of native English speakers based in Hong Kong. We offer a range of VA services from one-page website design to blog writing to secretarial work etc. I was doing some research on the internet and stumbled upon your post.

 
At 2:55 PM , Anonymous Pete said...

I have found that with the current economy I can find people locally. I use high school students to code(they're great) and others to do other tasks. Also there are a lot of automation tools out there and I'm constantly searching for ways to use them. Google voice has been a big help in handling my phones and with custom voice greetings for contacts it adds a nice touch.

 
At 2:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tried asksunday for a few months and was NOT satisfied with them. They are slow and the answers does often not fit to my questions. I will cancel the account.

 
At 1:03 PM , Anonymous Kathy Schneider said...

I just saw this post but would like to add a couple of comments also.
I think you get what you pay for and sure, it is easy to go with a $5.00 an hour person in India, but that seems to be fraught with problems. I currently have a friend who sent over $600 in expense receipts to his VA in the Phillipines and he has not been able to contact her for three months. Cross those expenses off the tax return!
If you are serious about wanting to outsource the best way to do it is to find a VA that you can truly partner with. One that you can develop a relationship with over time and come to depend on much like you would an administrator in your office. Often that can not happen with overseas workers. There are language barriers and a multitude of issues that stem from them not truly understanding how business works here in the US. There are obviously exceptions to that but are you willing to go through the expense and frustrations to find that one?

I would be happy to assist anyone who is still wanting to try to outsource some of their tasks. Please visit me at www.virtuality-works.com.

 

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